John Donne

Helen Peters (ed.), John Donne: Paradoxes and Problems

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paradox iii

That old Men are more Fantastique then younge

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1 but] omit Dob
fantastique] … now Bur, S, 1633+
Editor’s Note
l. 1.fantastique. Imaginative, OED 4a, obs.
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2 I did not think thus] I thought not this Bur
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3 make Σ‎: makes W
me] men S, 1633+
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4–5 a conceitfull] Conceiptfull s, 1633+: conceited TC, Dob
Editor’s Note
ll. 4–7. To be fantastique … full and perfect. 'In young men it is a temporary disorder of the humours, full of fancies, in old men whose senses have lost the power to perceive the real world it is natural and therefore complete and permanent.'
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7 therfore] and … Dob
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8 fansy] fantasie TC
is it] ? Bur: it is TC, Dob, 1633+
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11 exceeds] ? Bur: exceedeth 1633+
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12 changd once] once changed Bur
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12–13 yea, they are] yet … Dob: yet are they TC
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13 conceiting] conceited Dob, S, 1633+
Editor’s Note
l. 13. conceiting apparell. 'Inventing apparel'. Conceit = to conceive as a purpose or design, OED 6, obs.
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14 melancholy Σ‎: melancolique W
weare] ? Bur: wee are 1633a
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ll. 14–15. when we are melancholy … when forsaken, tawny. There is evidence for colour symbolism in costume in Elizabethan drama; see M. C. Linthicum, Costume in the Drama of Shakespeare and his Contemporaries (1936), 24–52. For green as the colour of lovers, see Love's Labour's Lost, I. ii. 81. Tawny or yellowish tan indicated sadness, generally because the wearer was forsaken. In Lodge's Euphues Golden Legacie (Works (1883), i. 128) Montanus wears tawny 'to signify that he is forsaken' (E. M. S.).
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15 owne Σ‎:… only W
affections] affection TC
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16 them] omit Bur
they] the Elders Bur
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17 constraine ed.: constraine, W
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18 certaine habits] a certaine habit 1633+
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20 of ther Language] of language Bur: languages 1633+
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21–2 yong man Σ‎: yong, W
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22 but] omit TC, Dob
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l. 22.fantastique. Existing only in imagination. OED 1a, obs.
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ll. 22–5. And that ridling … most fantastique. Cf. 'The Storme'. ll. 49–50:
  • And tremblingly'aske what newes, and doe heare so,
  • Like jealous husbands, what they would not know.
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24 inquiries] ? Bur: requires S, 1633+
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25 falls never] never falls Bur, TCD, Dob
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25–6 in … in ] ? Bur: among … among TC: among … amongst Dob
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ll. 25–8. Yea that which falls … great provision. Cf. Essays in Divinity, 25, 'But as old age is justly charged with this sickness, that though it abound, it ever covets, though it need less then youth did' (E. M. S.). Cf. also 'Old men are covetous by nature'. Tilley, M 568.
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26 most Σ‎: both W
fantastique and naturall] naturall and fantastique Bur
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26–7 that is Coveteousnes] omit Bur
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27 great] omit Dob
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28 habit in Bur, TC, Dob: … of W, S, 1633+
the] omit Bur
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ll. 28–30. Is any habit … like our elders. Cf. Erasmus, The Praise of Folie, p. 84, on schoolmen: 'at their Actes and Comencementes ye dooe see theim swadled in with so many cappes, coyves, and furde hodes as they weare, for els I thinke plainely theyr heades wolde rive asunder'.
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29 Seasons] season S
and] or S, 1633+
like] as Bur
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30 Or] and TC, Dob
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31 amongst] … the S: among the Dob, 1633+
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ll. 31–2. the Sceptique which doubts all. Cf. Sermons, i. 278, 'Those Sceptique philosophers, that doubted of all, though they affirmed nothing, yet they denied nothing neither … ' (E. M. S.). Cf. also Sir Walter Ralegh's 'The Skeptick' based upon 'the skeptick [who] doth neither affirm neither deny any position; but doubteth of it, and applyeth his Reason against that which is affirmed, or denied, to justifie his non consenting'. Remains of Sir Walter Raleigh (1657), 123.
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32 doubts] doubt S: doubted Dob
is] ? Bur: was Dob, S, 1633+
eyther] omit Dob
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33 affirmes] affirmed Dob
or] or the TC, Dob denyes] denied Dob
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34 call] calls S, 1633+ them] themselues TC
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35 others] there Bur
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36 owne]omit Bur
humors] humorous 1633+
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37 eyther] other Dob, 1633+: others S
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